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  • Is this ultimately our own faults?

    I mean, think back.

    When PG first showed up in their overalls and chewing on a piece of hay, talking about how Ryuu shore was a funny little critter with problems and issues they didn't understand or could fix, shouldn't we have known then, that this wasn't a very good game to be investing in?

    You got to kind of wonder. At least a little.

  • #2
    A crying shame that the talent evident behind the game's initial creation has gone completely to waste overseen as it is by what appear to be programmers with barely the capability of making 'Hello World' run successfully.

    And yes, I can't really argue with your point.

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    • Ksa
      Ksa commented
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      I'm just guessing, but I suspect the original code must have been more than a bit fragile. Some of the things we see just make no sense otherwise. That said, once you've had some code for two years, you own the remaining bugs.

  • #3
    I still think it's a good game

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    • #4
      It's funny how many posts claim that pg can not produce a good game.

      I have yet yet to find any other mobile game that comes even remotely close to this game. Involving all aspects like chat, mail, teams, leagues, events, wars, bases, hands on defends, and hands on action(meaning you don't just send your troops, monsters, etc.. to a place to attack and basically for the most part watch them. War Dragons is total hands on Action).

      Unless I'm totally missing something, even with the several bugs that War Dragon's has, there is no other mobile app or company that has yet to produce anything remotely close to War Dragons.

      So, IMO, PG is doing pretty good. Does this mean I like everything pg does? Absolutely not. But, when they have an app that no other has yet to match, you have to give them credit.

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      • NinAK
        NinAK commented
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        So you would say you are satisfied with the level of quality assurance that exists in war dragons currently? I'm genuinely asking.

        Personally I do understand it is an extremely complex game, that being said I feel like it is run like complete shit by the developers with wanton disregard for player experience.

      • YellowMonkey
        YellowMonkey commented
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        NinAK I would say yes. Keep in mind, my perspective is a free playing player perspective.

        Would I be happy with the quality of the game if I were to spend $100 or more per month on it? I don't know, as I do not do this.

        However, spenders are still spending are they not? I would assume that could only mean they are happy with the quality of the game for their money spent.

        If that's not the case, and I am totally wrong, then I have one final conclusion. It must be nice to have soo much money that someone can just blow it month after month on something they are not happy with.

        To conclude, and directly answer you though, yes, as a free playing player I am happy with the quality of the game compared to what other games are available.

    • #5
      From the perspective of someone who admits I have spent a good amount of money just to be at the top level of competition (garnet mythics, mostly maxed towers):

      YES. IT'S OUR FAULT.

      They keep making money from their bad product. From their perspective, it isn't broke, so they won't actually fix it.

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    • #6
      Absolutely it is the players faults, because if there weren't suckers paying for this shite, it wouldn't continue.

      I think the core of the problem is these games (any free to play, pay to win) are essentially online gambling. They're not really gaming anymore. The actual content and gameplay is very simple and limited, requires a lot less development that fully fledged PC or console games.

      When the focus is on the millionaires who will spend house sized amounts of money, to the detriment of the majority and pretty much every other aspect of the game, it is not longer about the content or quality of game design - AT ALL. It's purely a quick money grab and Individual products do not last very long, because they chew through them so fast because new sells better than old. WD won't be around in 2 years, let alone 5, or if it is, the playerbase will be extremely small (insignificant).

      personally, I think it's criminal what these free to play, pay to win games have done. It's capitalism at its very worst. You want to win at this computer game?? PAY US A HOUSE!!
      In some ways it's worse than online gambling, because at least then you have a chance of getting a portion of your money back. Not so in these games. You are spending all that money for a chance of progressing in-game (pixels). The casinos are a better investment of your money in comparison.

      of course, free to play, pay to win games are not going anywhere, because it's gambling. People need to realise though, as much as they might care about War Dragons, PG don't give a shit. They will milk it for all it's worth and when it inevitably crashes, they'll push a new flavor of the month product to appeal to the gamblers (not gamers).

      sad to say, the days of well designed, content rich games with good support and a development team that cares about their product seem to be well and truly over.
      Last edited by Gary2975; 5 days ago.

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      • #7
        Originally posted by YellowMonkey View Post
        It's funny how many posts claim that pg can not produce a good game.

        I have yet yet to find any other mobile game that comes even remotely close to this game. Involving all aspects like chat, mail, teams, leagues, events, wars, bases, hands on defends, and hands on action(meaning you don't just send your troops, monsters, etc.. to a place to attack and basically for the most part watch them. War Dragons is total hands on Action).

        Unless I'm totally missing something, even with the several bugs that War Dragon's has, there is no other mobile app or company that has yet to produce anything remotely close to War Dragons.

        So, IMO, PG is doing pretty good. Does this mean I like everything pg does? Absolutely not. But, when they have an app that no other has yet to match, you have to give them credit.
        youre right monkey the aspects like live attacking&defending, chats, leagues etc are amazing and probably unparalleled thus far (dont know another game like this either). however this was made by the initial developers and not PG. PG bought the company roughly 2 years ago and since then we saw more and more bugs that are incredibly ridiculous. on top of that we see PG not even try to fix many crucial ones...

        we should be thankful they didnt touch they initial code for attacking&defending or else that would probably not working either.....
        Last edited by Slytha; 5 days ago.

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        • ITIL
          ITIL commented
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          Yeah, I have to wonder who from the original bitpig team involved with the initial code/engine is still around, unless the engine was implemented after PG took over, I guess. Stuff like this does happen with other games too, but it just seems to take longer and with less communication for this game :s

        • NukSooAL
          NukSooAL commented
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          Other then the active participation in attacks and defense this game is very similar, almost identical in fact to a game that I played for a very long time called Dragons of Atlantis, it is what hooked me on war dragons in the first place. while you couldn't actively infulance defense or attacks in Doa,it took a ton more skill(knowledge) then WD.in Doa people would think that their huge wall(army)was safe and you could destroy years of someone's progress in a second by having a good understanding of the battle mechanics. I guarantee people have literally cried in Doa

      • #8
        The ironic thing is games are supposed to be a medium for players to interact and compete with one another.

        It has moved from a one off payment or subscription model where all players pay the same monthly/annual fee with the focus on ingame skill and teamwork competition to win to a model where the competition is simply how much money you are willing to give away. It almost seems like bribery. Whoever has the most money to pay the development company wins. It's just wrong on so many levels - both ethically and socially.

        its capitalism at its very worst and personally, I think it's highway robbery and once again the powerful (Apple+ software development companies) preying on the weak.

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        • #9
          YES it's our fault. Imagine hundreds of thousands of people still buying Galaxy Note 7 after it was announced dangerous and "explosive", literally. Lol. Who's fault would have that been?

          Now, Samsung had the fairness and courage to stand up for and on behalf of their loyal and all customers and say "we fucked up, return the device and wait for the next phone".

          PG will NEVER do anything like that. In fact, customer service is trained to use language (follow steps) that will make YOU feel at fault, and give up out of frustration. If not, they'll throw 2 bronze chests at you.
          Oldmandragon agreeing with you here.

          IF PG were a retail store they'd be closed the second day!

          On the flip side, PG has invested hundreds of thousands of dollars into this, so if you are really a NON SPENDING player and enjoy what little is left enjoyable for free, that player should seriously stfu.

          YellowMonkey agreeing with you here.
          Last edited by Wings; 5 days ago.

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          • #10
            Originally posted by Robert M. View Post
            From the perspective of someone who admits I have spent a good amount of money just to be at the top level of competition (garnet mythics, mostly maxed towers):

            YES. IT'S OUR FAULT.

            They keep making money from their bad product. From their perspective, it isn't broke, so they won't actually fix it.

            I posted an analogy months ago sort of making this point. it was a story about a drug dealer not being motivated to improve his product, and in fact was not even motivated to keep his customers happy once the product deteriorated because they kept coming back and buying his drug anyway, so he had no incentive to change, and quite the opposite.

            regardless of the bugs, the glitches, the screw-ups, the complaints, the poor customer service, etc, etc, etc; players are still buying value packs. someone at PG is smart enough to run the numbers to see what it would cost to add QC to the game (I assume it doesn't exist), or more developers, or better customer service, etc, compared to potential additional revenue from that improvement and my guess is that the numbers don't add up. they're making money now with the minimal resources they're devoting to the game, so why change it?

            of course our answer is that they can increase the player pool, get medium spenders to spend more, extend the life of the game, etc, but it's quite obvious that what happens with the game is by their design/choice, whether by omission (bugs, no QC) or by addition (new features).

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            • #11
              Its not all negative.... lets be fair. The new season looks great... there are good points and bad points.

              From past to now there was many ups and downs... and somehow someone think to need a balance for there advantage....

              The only issue what from past wasnt nice, was the communication... because when its a decision ,... we are just a group of players for them.
              But i feel we speak it good out... so the mechanism is ... if its good ... someone make it bad... if its bad... we complain... they "should" make it again good...

              The big problem beside bugs, is the tiers... the costs... the releasing times... and from events ofc costs , when they get too high with time...
              But probably they could fix it down when they see its not as in past...

              Just saw worlds best dont overdo rank about 5-10 times about how it was in past... Or maybe i need look about

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